[vdr] IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

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Dr. Werner Fink

2012-02-09 15:33:31 UTC

Hi,

... yep, I'm aware of http://upnp.vdr-developer.org/ but this one
seems to be very dead. Nevertheless I'd like to use a VDR as
recording system only using the second coax line maybe extended
by uncable to use two transponders over one coax line. For this
it would be perfect to be able to manage, control, and navigate
the VDR and its menues over the DLNA support of this new TV.

Werner

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Denis Loh

2012-02-09 19:45:16 UTC

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Post by Dr. Werner Fink
Hi,
... yep, I'm aware of http://upnp.vdr-developer.org/ but this one
seems to be very dead. Nevertheless I'd like to use a VDR as
recording system only using the second coax line maybe extended
by uncable to use two transponders over one coax line. For this
it would be perfect to be able to manage, control, and navigate
the VDR and its menues over the DLNA support of this new TV.
Werner

Hi,

i am still working on it. However, progess is very slow, sorry.
Nevertheless, you cannot control the vdr the way you expected. An
default DLNA server only allows you to show media files (and live TV) on
your DLNA or UPnP capable device. You cannot schedule recordings,
start/stop the server or do anything beside watching media, unfortunatelly.

DLNA does not specify those features in its current version 1.5. It will
be supported in 2.0 and above, however it may take some years that
devices implementors will support them as they are mostly optional. I
even haven't seen any TV device which supports the tuner service
capability of a DLNA media server very well (In this case, you would be
able to switch channels by pressing a channel number or by
chan-up/chan-down).

Additionally, it won't be possible to show any EPG or OSD on an DLNA
device without work-a-rounds, like transcoding EPG/OSD into an MPEG
stream. There is a possibility to transmit text based date, but this is
not being supported by any TV device I know.

Well, DLNA sounds perfect when you don't expect too much: you may
exchange media from one device to another. You can share media of a
certain device to others and let them play it. But you cannot play files
which are not supported by the device, even though it may play the files
directly for instance via USB. Sounds ridiculous, but works as designed.

I work on an work-a-round to support scheduling records via browser
navigation. But, this is not very user friendly because you have to
"play" every command and simulate a media file to the TV. Every DLNA
server must support a web page where the server allows to show
additional information. I will use live among others in this case, as it
seems to do everything needed.

I hope this will help, somehow. Please let me know, if you miss
something to be supported.

Denis

Michael Rademacher

2012-02-10 07:27:09 UTC

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Hi,
Thanks a lot for this clarification in contrast to the usual adulation for
DLNA. :)

Radi.

Dr. Werner Fink

2012-02-10 17:03:51 UTC

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Post by Denis Loh
Hi,
i am still working on it. However, progess is very slow, sorry.
Nevertheless, you cannot control the vdr the way you expected. An
default DLNA server only allows you to show media files (and live TV)
on your DLNA or UPnP capable device. You cannot schedule recordings,
start/stop the server or do anything beside watching media,
unfortunatelly.
DLNA does not specify those features in its current version 1.5. It
will be supported in 2.0 and above, however it may take some years
that devices implementors will support them as they are mostly
optional. I even haven't seen any TV device which supports the tuner
service capability of a DLNA media server very well (In this case,
you would be able to switch channels by pressing a channel number or
by chan-up/chan-down).
Additionally, it won't be possible to show any EPG or OSD on an DLNA
device without work-a-rounds, like transcoding EPG/OSD into an MPEG
stream. There is a possibility to transmit text based date, but this
is not being supported by any TV device I know.
Well, DLNA sounds perfect when you don't expect too much: you may
exchange media from one device to another. You can share media of a
certain device to others and let them play it. But you cannot play
files which are not supported by the device, even though it may play
the files directly for instance via USB. Sounds ridiculous, but works
as designed.
I work on an work-a-round to support scheduling records via browser
navigation. But, this is not very user friendly because you have to
"play" every command and simulate a media file to the TV. Every DLNA
server must support a web page where the server allows to show
additional information. I will use live among others in this case, as
it seems to do everything needed.
I hope this will help, somehow. Please let me know, if you miss
something to be supported.

Hmmm ... maybe HbbTV would be an option. Let's say for handling
the VDR. Otherwise I would like to avoid softdevice as well as
expensive full featured HDTV DVB-cards.

Werner

Mikko Tuumanen

2012-02-11 17:19:47 UTC

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Post by Denis Loh
i am still working on it.

I have a feature reuqest for the vdr dlna server.

I bought a tv and fast forwarding through the dlna is terribly slow (tried
minidlna) and there are no "skip one minute" or "goto hh:mm" etc.
functionality at all.

Skipping minute forward, backward and "goto hh:mm" like vdr does could be
implemented in the dlna server. Then the user could send these commands to te
server which would do the skipping (its easy when we have the vdr index files).
Of course controlling can't be done with the dlna client remote control and
doing this with multiple dlna clients is not so simple (need separate remote
control for each client, etc).

Another idea:

Vdr in a cheap computer that is not able to decode and deinterlace the video
properly. Connect a dlna cabable tv to the dvi output of the computer and the
tv to the same network as the computer. Then it will be possible to create a
cDlnaDevice that will draw osd on an X11 window and send all video to the dlna
client. If the tv is remote controllable through serial port or ethernet then
switching from video to osd and back could be automatic. Of course it wouldn't
be osd any more, but menus could be used anyway. Unfortunately subtitles
wouldn't work at all unless the tv supported them.

Pim Zandbergen

2012-02-10 17:07:32 UTC

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I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.

Pim

Denis Loh

2012-02-10 19:04:45 UTC

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Post by Pim Zandbergen
I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.
Pim
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Ack! These combination should work as there are many users who reported
a working setup.

Correct me, if I'm wrong, but I thought that hbbTV is sent by the
broadcasters themselves. Maybe someone has spent some time to work on a
smartTV (e.g. for samsung) app, which can be installed and used by the user.

Denis

Luca Olivetti

2012-02-10 20:43:08 UTC

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Post by Pim Zandbergen
I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.

Or hack the TV to simply nfs mount the directory with the recordings

Bye

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Timothy D. Lenz

2012-02-11 22:08:41 UTC

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I'm interested in this also, but we have 2 Sony Bravias. Hacking the Tv
not an option. I do know that on ours, for youtube, you can do searches
and stuff using an on screen alphabet that follows the letter to number
grouping you see on phones. So it does have a way to enter stuff.

Post by Luca Olivetti

Post by Pim Zandbergen
I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.

Or hack the TV to simply nfs mount the directory with the recordings
Bye

Teemu Suikki

2012-02-16 10:55:39 UTC

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Howdy!

There is an installation instructions for vdr-plugin-upnp here:
http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Upnp-plugin

I also installed libupnp-1.6.6 with this dlna patch:
http://svn.assembla.com/svn/VDR-M7x0/trunk/toolchain/patches/libupnp/1.6.6/dlna/100-CustomHeader.0.0.3.patch

I'm using the plugin with VDR 1.7.15 and Playstation3. PS3 detects the
VDR correctly, but there are no recordings or live channels available,
it's just all empty.

When looking at the log file (with -vvvvv), i see this:

UPnP server message: Browse requested by 192.168.0.201.
UPnP server message: ===== Browsing =====
UPnP server message: ID: 0
UPnP server message: Browse metadata
UPnP server message: Filter:
@id,upnp:class,res,***@protocolInfo,***@av:authenticationUri,***@size,dc:title,upnp:albumArtURI,***@dlna:ifoFileURI,***@protection,***@bitrate,***@duration,***@sampleFrequency,***@bitsPerSample,***@nrAudioChannels,***@resolution,***@colorDepth,dc:date,av:dateTime,upnp:artist,upnp:album,upnp:genre,dc:contributer,upnp:storageFree,upnp:storageUsed,upnp:originalTrackNumber,dc:publisher,dc:language,dc:region,dc:description,upnp:toc,@childCount,upnp:***@dlna:profileID,***@dlna:cleartextSize

UPnP server message: Offset: 0
UPnP server message: Count: 1
UPnP server message: Sort: (null)
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server error:Parsing filter failed

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I'm interested in this also, but we have 2 Sony Bravias. Hacking the Tv not
an option. I do know that on ours, for youtube, you can do searches and
stuff using an on screen alphabet that follows the letter to number grouping
you see on phones. So it does have a way to enter stuff.

Post by Luca Olivetti

Post by Pim Zandbergen
I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.

Or hack the TV to simply nfs mount the directory with the recordings
Bye

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Denis Loh

2012-02-16 12:26:26 UTC

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Actually, I think some of the properties are not well formatted. UPnP
defines a strict pattern, which I implemented (hopefully) properly.
However, some devices may ignore this pattern. I will try to find out,
which of these parameters is the offending one.

Post by Teemu Suikki
Howdy!
http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Upnp-plugin
http://svn.assembla.com/svn/VDR-M7x0/trunk/toolchain/patches/libupnp/1.6.6/dlna/100-CustomHeader.0.0.3.patch
I'm using the plugin with VDR 1.7.15 and Playstation3. PS3 detects the
VDR correctly, but there are no recordings or live channels available,
it's just all empty.
UPnP server message: Browse requested by 192.168.0.201.
UPnP server message: ===== Browsing =====
UPnP server message: ID: 0
UPnP server message: Browse metadata
@id,upnp:class,res,***@protocolInfo,***@av:authenticationUri,***@size,dc:title,upnp:albumArtURI,***@dlna:ifoFileURI,***@protection,***@bitrate,***@duration,***@sampleFrequency,***@bitsPerSample,***@nrAudioChannels,***@resolution,***@colorDepth,dc:date,av:dateTime,upnp:artist,upnp:album,upnp:genre,dc:contributer,upnp:storageFree,upnp:storageUsed,upnp:originalTrackNumber,dc:publisher,dc:language,dc:region,dc:description,upnp:toc,@childCount,upnp:***@dlna:profileID,***@dlna:cleartextSize
UPnP server message: Offset: 0
UPnP server message: Count: 1
UPnP server message: Sort: (null)
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server error:Parsing filter failed
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Teemu

I'm interested in this also, but we have 2 Sony Bravias. Hacking the Tv not
an option. I do know that on ours, for youtube, you can do searches and
stuff using an on screen alphabet that follows the letter to number grouping
you see on phones. So it does have a way to enter stuff.

Post by Luca Olivetti

Post by Pim Zandbergen
I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.

Or hack the TV to simply nfs mount the directory with the recordings
Bye

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Teemu Suikki

2012-02-16 16:38:13 UTC

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Hi,

I think there is something else wrong, nothing is shown on my ubuntu
box either with Totem player.. It should be very basic upnp player.

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Post by Denis Loh
Actually, I think some of the properties are not well formatted. UPnP
defines a strict pattern, which I implemented (hopefully) properly.
However, some devices may ignore this pattern. I will try to find out,
which of these parameters is the offending one.

I'm interested in this also, but we have 2 Sony Bravias. Hacking the Tv not
an option. I do know that on ours, for youtube, you can do searches and
stuff using an on screen alphabet that follows the letter to number grouping
you see on phones. So it does have a way to enter stuff.

Post by Luca Olivetti

Post by Pim Zandbergen
I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.

Or hack the TV to simply nfs mount the directory with the recordings
Bye

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